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Posted 2/26/2007 4:36:34 PM
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Okay, I'm in a 16 team H2H league, categories for skaters are: G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SOG.  Team budgets are $200 and salaries for keepers increase by 20%.  Limited to 6 keepers max. 

I'm contending this year and I'd be trading to a team that is out of it already.  Am I getting value by offering:  D - Sergei Gonchar $20, D - Skoula $1 to receive:  D - Boyle $14, D - Zhitnik $2?

I figure Boyle and Zhitnik  can make up Gonchar's production over the next 2 months.  I also like Boyle at $17 rather than Gonchar at $24 next year although I think Gonchar might be better than Boyle over a full season with the way Crosby/Malkin/Staal are producing.
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Fascinating question (and use of fonts).

I'm no H2H expert, but I know keepers a bit.

First, I'm surprised Skoula was even owned. Trading him away seems a good thing.

I agree that Boyle and Zhitnik should replace Gonchar's output, all things being equal.

However, if the Penguins are truly making a push for the playoffs, Gonchar could be given an even better defensive defenceman to play with, and start to overproduce. And he WILL be better on a better team next year, and you WILL miss him. (But not his +/-. I just traded him to Ian in the TMRX, but I got 3/4 of Gonchar's year first.)

I wouldn't count on Zhitnik. Yes, he's on a great PP, but let's not forget this is his second trade this year. He wasn't an answer to the problems of Ted Nolan or that Philly guy. I like Zhitnik's upside, but Braydon Coburn was a score for the Flyers. For $2 though, you could see where Zhitnik ends up over the summer before deciding to keep him, right? (Again, in the interests of disclosure, I'm trying to trade Afinogenov for Lidstrom and Zhitnik in my deep (16x30players) keeper roto, so far to no avail. And I just FA-pickuped Coburn.)

Danny Boyle at $17 seems like a decent value there. Gonchar at $24 I almost like too. What are your big D salaries like in your pool? Chara? Phaneuf? Redden? Visnovsky?

One last question. What do free agent pickups cost? Salary-wise?

Hope this helps.


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Posted 2/26/2007 7:07:44 PM
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Danny Boyle at $17 seems like a decent value there. Gonchar at $24 I almost like too. What are your big D salaries like in your pool? Chara? Phaneuf? Redden? Visnovsky?

One last question. What do free agent pickups cost? Salary-wise?

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Big D salaries are all over the board due to retention.  Our rule is 20% increase in salary with 1 player allowed to have a price freeze, but then that player has to be released (1 yr keeper only at same cost as last year), minimum keeper salary is $8. 

We auction 3 forwards at each position, 2 goalies and then 5 D.  The remaining 10 players are straight drafted for $1 each.  Phaneuf and Vishnovsky were drafted at $1 last year and then retained at the minimum.  We are allowed 1 FA pickup before all-star and 1 after - cost is $5 each.   We nominate our keepers in September at the draft table, so yes, summer free agent movement will be known before we commit our keepers.

Lidstrom is the highest paid D at $24, next is Niedermeyer at $21, Pronger is $19, Chara $18, Redden $16, Phaneuf $8, Vishnovsky $8. 

For the record, Skoula was a throw in that I took as part of a deal that landed me: Guerin, Ponikarovsky,Zubrus and Redden.

If I decide to keep Gonchar for next yr, I would likely freeze his salary at $20.  My keepers currently are: Ovechkin $13 next year, Elias $24, Horton $10, Fernandez $10, Radulov $8 + 1 of: Gonchar $20 or J. Holmqvist $8.

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Boyle alone is pretty much equal to Gonchar and Zhitnik will outproduce Skoula by a good margin for the rest of this year.  you can make this deal, get better production and a better price on a keeper option on Boyle for next year.

i'd make the offer, i think you win the deal easily.

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Probably right ...but if you don't, I like the idea of freezing Gonchar's salary while he mentors, say, Noah Welch. And there's gotta be a better FA than Skoula...

edit:
...and with so few FA pickups allowed, are trades as restricted? If so, I'd keep Gonchar for a bigger deal next year...


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Posted 2/26/2007 10:08:10 PM
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I burned my FA pickup on Johan Holmqvist when Manny got injured at the beginning of the month...I'm kicking myself for not taking Backstrom instead.

The waiver wire is pretty bare...best D out there is Bieksa who has cooled off lately.   My starting D are:  Gonchar, Rafalski, Redden, Ohlund, Phillips, Sutton.  Skoula is my reserve D-man. 

Trades are not restricted, but we have until this sunday night to finalize trades for 06/07 season.  I'm thinking of keeping Gonchar for my run this year and flipping him in the off-season.  I just saw this as a way to get bonus production for now and a cheaper keeper option for next year without too much a drop off next year.

Looks like Noah Welch is gone...Roberts appears to have waived his NTC

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=197768&hubname=

I'm loving that move...Roberts is my reserve LW behind Ovechkin, Elias, Ponikarovsky and Neil.  Now if only Guerin can end up in ANA....

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